tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post2071191022557150279..comments2023-12-15T21:49:46.651+01:00Comments on Pluralist Speaks: Who Is He Then and What's the Institution?Pluralist (Adrian Worsfold)http://www.blogger.com/profile/01922153724523820866noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-78814623188504879292010-01-10T08:05:46.563+01:002010-01-10T08:05:46.563+01:00Rumour of incarnation? Well, a very distant possib...Rumour of incarnation? Well, a very distant possibility for me, but we can vary, in that the rumour is bigger than that which deifies humanity in one instance.Pluralist (Adrian Worsfold)https://www.blogger.com/profile/01922153724523820866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-5731709323970163352010-01-10T08:03:46.707+01:002010-01-10T08:03:46.707+01:00No, I mean trees, grass, colours, insights, art, s...No, I mean trees, grass, colours, insights, art, silence, music - transcendence is far greater than a man. Rumours of angels are the rumours that the dots join up into something mystical and greater, but they are just rumours.Pluralist (Adrian Worsfold)https://www.blogger.com/profile/01922153724523820866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-64591768518561064262010-01-10T02:31:42.019+01:002010-01-10T02:31:42.019+01:00drdanfee: Thanks lots A. for your reminder phrase,...drdanfee: Thanks lots A. for your reminder phrase, ... rumor of angels. I like how it resonates with my own life story. I would companion the angels bit with a second phrase, ... rumor of incarnation? And basic to both poetries is a persistent sense that people in general and thinkers in particular can come to angels or to incarnations, both from the bottom up and from an ineffable divine top down. Don't let those Fulcrum and other CoE evangelicals read you categorically out of God's big tents; their cherished Outsider Statuses are heuristic and involve power plays and power needs just as much as any human social-political-economic encounter or institution. If Fulcrum wins the CoE day, then of course I myself will hardly ever be welcome in worship, save for possibly interfaith days?Daniel Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13132658805227245932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-85168947028229470892010-01-09T23:27:37.583+01:002010-01-09T23:27:37.583+01:00"These insights might well be a hook for the ..."These insights might well be a hook for the sort of transcendence we might like to think exists, but if there is transcendence it is obviously a far broader thing than the movements and ideas of a man in one time and place. And I am not interested in the cult of an individual."<br /><br />OK, so let's assume that many individuals throughout history had these insights. Let's assume that some of their stories were written down and some of them have founded world religions.<br />To do the insights justice, you still have to decide which person speaks most to you personally, and you then do well to focus on that person - at least until you've become such a mystic that you can take the best from his or her insights and from those of others too.<br /><br />But most of us aren't like that. We don't have the brains, the time or the energy to deeply study all religions leaders and their thoughts, never mind all other possible insight-bearers. And so we focus on one particular one.<br />If his insights are genuine, it shouldn't matter too much that we only focus on him.<br /><br />Put the other way round - if you wanted people to understand some of the insights that can be had, where would you start? How would you speak to them? What language would you use?<br /><br />You can see how a focus develops and that it need not be all negative or idolatrous.Erika Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01812376497361267014noreply@blogger.com