tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post569848220305768573..comments2023-12-15T21:49:46.651+01:00Comments on Pluralist Speaks: Unitarian Expansion in AfricaPluralist (Adrian Worsfold)http://www.blogger.com/profile/01922153724523820866noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-46257082667660692272009-06-26T14:44:57.797+02:002009-06-26T14:44:57.797+02:00I wouldn't say that polygamy is primitive. Tha...I wouldn't say that polygamy is primitive. That judgement arises only because our society sadly tends to view every adult relationship only with regard to its sexual content. <br /><br />In societies were women had no social and economic standing of their own, polygamy was a creative way of ensuring their protection and survival.<br /><br />The question is whether it is still needed to fulfill that role today, or whether the structures of the societies who still practice it could be changed to render it unnecessary.Erika Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01812376497361267014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-7839489490865964632009-06-26T01:04:46.763+02:002009-06-26T01:04:46.763+02:00What do the guys do without wives? Must be a lot ...What do the guys do without wives? Must be a lot of lonely men out there. Polygamy is primitive.Brad Evanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17381562723928616425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-30792054513124689732009-06-25T14:01:05.051+02:002009-06-25T14:01:05.051+02:00You get the same thing in Tibet, where two men are...You get the same thing in Tibet, where two men are married to one woman. It is directional, and done for resource reasons, and a family is behind it. And they send one male off to the monastery. The woman doesn't get to exercise the power that the single man many wives does.<br /><br />None of these have the mutuality of one to one.<br /><br />Then there is polyamoury, where to be closed at least two must be bisexual for it to be comfortable, which is unlikely: the trouble with polyamoury is it tends to have lines outward, and so too many new people get introduced! Again it requires levels of confidence and knowing, and these get replaced by power instead (a central served character).<br /><br />So I can never see a rational situation where some sort of civil ceremony would include more than two, if we are talking about the state providing means for social stability, and anything else is just a private arrangement.<br /><br />In the end it is education and equality that will curtail these African polygamous marriages.<br /><br />These two women mentioned, Theresa and Alice, have different roles, but Alice seems to have her own working life. Nevertheless, she runs a congregation whereas it is the son of Theresa who oversees many. Not quite equal, is it?Pluralist (Adrian Worsfold)https://www.blogger.com/profile/01922153724523820866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-63790729617135659162009-06-25T09:57:48.397+02:002009-06-25T09:57:48.397+02:00does plural marriage denote consecutive marriages ...does plural marriage denote consecutive marriages or polygamous marriages?<br /><br />As Tobias Haller pointed out on his blog, there's nothing genuinely mutual in polygamous marriages, they usually involve one man having sexual relations with two wives, but the two wives are not equally married to each other.<br />The marriage is directional, not circular.Erika Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01812376497361267014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-64243773504437789842009-06-25T06:05:36.532+02:002009-06-25T06:05:36.532+02:00Oh come on, many people find ways to have multiple...Oh come on, many people find ways to have multiple relationships either honestly and dishonestly. The one to one simply allows for easier honesty and a growing into one another. There are good grounds for preventing incest, and prevention is a human rights issue: when brothers and sisters don't grow up together with no taboo and can't resist the attraction, the results are usually tragic in some sense, and the rest is usually abuse.Pluralist (Adrian Worsfold)https://www.blogger.com/profile/01922153724523820866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-65402327373994148872009-06-25T06:01:27.902+02:002009-06-25T06:01:27.902+02:00The issue is not simply about from zero. It is tha...The issue is not simply about from zero. It is that Unitarianism was seen as entirely Western and developed, was the pinnacle of Protestant achievement (I don't subscribe to this approach at all). Chance meetings (as with India - where Unitarianism in the NE is populous, and in Mumbai) and now the Internet suddenly mean it comes from apparently nowhere. Notice how, though, it is biblically literalist, and relates to modernisation as it did when biblically literalist in England.Pluralist (Adrian Worsfold)https://www.blogger.com/profile/01922153724523820866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-85909157510908060322009-06-25T02:29:11.379+02:002009-06-25T02:29:11.379+02:00Unitarian expansion-well, if you're almost zer...Unitarian expansion-well, if you're almost zero, it's mathematically impossible for you to do anything but expand, isn't it?<br /> Wonder how much longer it will be before "plural marriage" gets touted as a "human rights/diversity" issue in the west?Brad Evanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17381562723928616425noreply@blogger.com