tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post6741159036445549284..comments2023-12-15T21:49:46.651+01:00Comments on Pluralist Speaks: My Reflection, My DecisionPluralist (Adrian Worsfold)http://www.blogger.com/profile/01922153724523820866noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-33907420666057986662009-08-10T22:23:58.542+02:002009-08-10T22:23:58.542+02:00'To receive communion you need to be confirmed...'To receive communion you need to be confirmed.'<br /><br />Not true of the church I go to and of many I have attended. I note these things because they interest me. 'Baptised' is often specifically mentioned.<br /><br />Even children not yet confirmed regularly receive communion at such churches - as indeed they do in RC churches.<br /><br />This attempt to portray the C of E as in any way 'coercive' and - hence - your own bruited 'independence' of thought -just bears no relation to what goes on in most C of E churches.johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-80712085943180024562009-08-10T22:14:56.232+02:002009-08-10T22:14:56.232+02:00Not true. The baptised come to the rail and receiv...Not true. The baptised come to the rail and receive a blessing. To receive communion you need to be confirmed. A Methodist would be a member, receiving communion there, and thus can receive communion in the C of E. The table is not open.<br /><br />The lack of enforcing the rule is the distinction made between being a Church rather than being a sect and is just practical.<br /><br />You can make what criticism you like, but actually I am one of the more frequent attenders at the Anglican church I attend and that indeed the C of E is principally a liturgically means of worship and further contributions and is not 'merely' for opinionating at all.Pluralist (Adrian Worsfold)https://www.blogger.com/profile/01922153724523820866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-45174256821105143982009-08-10T20:38:24.387+02:002009-08-10T20:38:24.387+02:00'Participation in the eucharist is for the con...'Participation in the eucharist is for the confirmed and members of approved churches. No one compels or checks up as a matter of practice but not as a matter of rule.'<br /><br />This seems to me incorrect. Two formulations frequently used are (a) 'baptised'; (b) 'used to receive communion in your own churches'. <br /><br />Furthermore, the fact that any distinction between so-called practice and so-called rule is ignored is itself a tribute to the C of E's 'open-ness'.<br /><br />But 'yeah, right' alludes to a more general criticism implicit in my post: that for people such as yourself 'Anglicanism' or 'the C of E' merely provides a platform for public attitudinising/opinionating. It's a serious criticism. I make it.johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-45412499753980979652009-08-10T17:56:55.370+02:002009-08-10T17:56:55.370+02:00Don't be silly. Er, Me thinks you are Nersen P...Don't be silly. Er, Me thinks you are Nersen Pillay.Pluralist (Adrian Worsfold)https://www.blogger.com/profile/01922153724523820866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-34231230956897179622009-08-10T15:04:06.886+02:002009-08-10T15:04:06.886+02:00Archbishop Williams has retracted his "reflec...Archbishop Williams has retracted his "reflection" after reading Pluralist's criticisms...he and Tom Wright are on their way to ask Pluralist's advice on what to do in the CofE............. <br /> <br />(you write as if this was even a remote possibility!)Yeah right....noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-31626664011163668842009-08-10T14:54:52.760+02:002009-08-10T14:54:52.760+02:00Someone praying does not change the nature of beli...Someone praying does not change the nature of believing or the ethical decline of the Church of England and Anglican label as a denomination.Pluralist (Adrian Worsfold)https://www.blogger.com/profile/01922153724523820866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-24918641759162257442009-08-10T05:40:45.262+02:002009-08-10T05:40:45.262+02:00with a wondering and floating life for years, I tu...with a wondering and floating life for years, I turned back when heard the voice saying "there is someone praying for you".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-69777627092086701162009-08-10T02:33:10.406+02:002009-08-10T02:33:10.406+02:00Appreciated. Fortunately there is evening worship ...Appreciated. Fortunately there is evening worship available, though it is not the best for socialising afterwards. Wednesday mornings are OK because with no hymns it can be more reflective anyway (to sit out the eucharist part) and there is as much socialising afterwards as on a Sunday if with a smaller number. I'll see how it goes.Pluralist (Adrian Worsfold)https://www.blogger.com/profile/01922153724523820866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-39834709989817905122009-08-10T02:18:52.631+02:002009-08-10T02:18:52.631+02:00Adrian, I can't say that I'm surprised tha...Adrian, I can't say that I'm surprised that you've arrived where you are, whatever you label yourself.<br /><br />I don't know about the Anglican label for myself any more either. It's become smeared. How on earth do you define yourself as a Christian by excluding people. I think of Bp. Gene Robinson locked out at Lambeth, and I can't get over it. How was that in any way gracious or hospitable? It was a disgrace, a scandal. <br /><br />For you, there's morning prayer and evening prayer that could give you the opportunity for reflective worship and the sense of community that you'd miss, if you didn't go. With that, along with attendance at services at churches of other denominations, you'll make your free-floating way.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-42660758196094206792009-08-10T02:05:50.385+02:002009-08-10T02:05:50.385+02:00It is not an open door policy. Participation in th...It is not an open door policy. Participation in the eucharist is for the confirmed and members of approved churches. No one compels or checks up as a matter of practice but not as a matter of rule. That's the difference. And I am moving on, moving on to a position of clarity.Pluralist (Adrian Worsfold)https://www.blogger.com/profile/01922153724523820866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-23783846670261538992009-08-09T22:19:22.385+02:002009-08-09T22:19:22.385+02:00The C of E does have an 'open door'. There...The C of E does have an 'open door'. There are creeds. You can accept them or reject them. You can say them or not say them. No one will compel you. There is a liturgy - you can dip in and dip out. Many people do this. Your self-regardingness is oppressive and deeply tedious.<br /><br />Sorry.<br /><br />You do really need to move on.johnnoreply@blogger.com