tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post6916092223646449601..comments2023-12-15T21:49:46.651+01:00Comments on Pluralist Speaks: Sacrifice!Pluralist (Adrian Worsfold)http://www.blogger.com/profile/01922153724523820866noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-75768918822897676172008-08-16T21:39:00.000+02:002008-08-16T21:39:00.000+02:00I agree that we need to consider this. I do feel ...<A HREF="http://episcopalhospitalchaplain.blogspot.com/2008/08/for-generosity-to-result-in-sacrifice.html" REL="nofollow">I agree</A> that we need to consider this. I do feel strongly that any decision to step back needs to be described in the language from Lambeth that we are doing this out of our generosity. Let others see it as penance; we will have stated our intent.Marshall Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02807749717320495495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-743356279763360832008-08-16T17:05:00.000+02:002008-08-16T17:05:00.000+02:00I think this is a splendid piece, Adrian -- and th...I think this is a splendid piece, Adrian -- and thanks to Mark Harris at Preludium for referring us over to you. Mark also has a very good response, and I'm posting further comments over at his blog.<BR/><BR/>Bill MoorheadWSJMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09712152737422347034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-78614254537415053322008-08-16T17:01:00.000+02:002008-08-16T17:01:00.000+02:00That's not the analogy. You would still be in the ...That's not the analogy. You would still be in the family. It is that your family wouldn't go and see the more distant relatives in family gatherings. Of course individuals of those relatives would come and go, and some would be very friendly, and some talk about other ways of having gatherings. But it's the formal gatherings as was that would stop, an action of the immediate family.Pluralist (Adrian Worsfold)https://www.blogger.com/profile/01922153724523820866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-40674347409975733582008-08-16T15:52:00.000+02:002008-08-16T15:52:00.000+02:00I am no fan of 3 of the 4 so-called Instruments of...I am no fan of 3 of the 4 so-called Instruments of Communion, the ABC, the Primates meeting, and Lambeth. <BR/><BR/>But a voluntary withdrawal from Anglican Communion strucutres seems to me to be mistaken. For me, the analogy is that I, as a gay man, should absent myself from family gatherings because some of my family might be/are offended that I chose to live my life honestly and openly as a gay man. If I were to stay away, where is the possibility of reconciliation? <BR/><BR/>Granted, that possibility is lessened if other family members choose to absent themselves because I will be there, but the possibility still remains, if I am there, that in future, reconciliation will occur.<BR/><BR/>And if, in future, I am no longer invited to family gatherings, at least that is an honest, plain, up-front dynamic, one that lets no one “off the hook”.<BR/><BR/>It seems to me the idea of voluntary withdrawal is based on a lie, one that says that a false peace and a false harmony based on separation is better than an honest conflict and an honest discord based on presence.<BR/><BR/>I see nothing in the ministry of Jesus that would justify such a withdrawal.<BR/><BR/>I think absenting ourselves particularly from the Anglican Consultative Council, the only body with representation by all orders of ministry and with any sort of juridical authority, would be a big mistake.<BR/><BR/>Bryant A. HudsonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com