tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post8909123495480677129..comments2023-12-15T21:49:46.651+01:00Comments on Pluralist Speaks: In Fact There Were MAYBE (?) FivePluralist (Adrian Worsfold)http://www.blogger.com/profile/01922153724523820866noreply@blogger.comBlogger81125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-13853952314367859372011-04-22T19:25:21.269+02:002011-04-22T19:25:21.269+02:00I am now closing comments. They all need to come t...I am now closing comments. They all need to come through me, and any posted to here will be blocked. Everyone has had their say and there is no more to be said.Pluralist (Adrian Worsfold)https://www.blogger.com/profile/01922153724523820866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-91605071145256005762011-04-21T14:41:37.980+02:002011-04-21T14:41:37.980+02:00The whole issue surrounding
Tia L. Douglass alleg...The whole issue surrounding <br />Tia L. Douglass alleged consecration is a puzzle. If William agreed to consecrate the woman and changed his mind before he lay hands on her then thats fine. The woman would have every right to be angery but should look else where. If she has used photoshop to give the impression she was consecrated by William then that is out of order. Bishops have been known to regret consecrating an other bishop as they sometimes have a falling out.If it turns out she has lied then no bishop or clergy should ever have any thing to do with her.<br />AndyAndynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-17685459671569007022011-04-13T09:33:09.289+02:002011-04-13T09:33:09.289+02:00Telling the false from real is rather difficult, b...Telling the false from real is rather difficult, but if not difficult then they stand as their own testimony to the level of behaviour involved. I have no involvement with either side; I have an interest in 'High Church Liberalism' and its forms.Pluralist (Adrian Worsfold)https://www.blogger.com/profile/01922153724523820866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-1734225807504276212011-04-13T02:10:42.639+02:002011-04-13T02:10:42.639+02:00Having only just come to this debate!!!! If that’...Having only just come to this debate!!!! If that’s what you wish to call it. I am utterly appalled at the shear childishness of some of the people posting here, you are supposed to be people of the church and yet you act like spoiled children, who have been told you can't have a sweet. You do such a disservice to both God & the Church, we should at this time be working together to help each other and those less fortunate, not fighting amongst our selves.Rev. Stevennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-12825340040741843122011-04-13T02:00:32.352+02:002011-04-13T02:00:32.352+02:00As stated above, the false posts pertaining to be ...As stated above, the false posts pertaining to be from Tia, have not been removed, which I feel to be grossly unfair as you have stated on more than one occasion you will remove them.... or maybe it is simply the fact that the editor of this blog is somehow connected with this affair?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-42146637038560616682011-04-12T21:31:46.202+02:002011-04-12T21:31:46.202+02:00Maybe the anonymous person above should get their ...Maybe the anonymous person above should get their facts straight before attacking someone without knowing the full details?<br /><br />It clearly states above that if anyone wants to know anything more about the situation to make contact through the church site.<br /><br />How many Bishops publish their instrument of consecration online for all to see? I would guess not many.<br /><br />So stop moaning about it and making false statements when you have no facts.<br /><br />No one has to prove anything to anyone on this site, it is just a blog.Bp LBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-2531076141444567742011-04-12T14:34:19.343+02:002011-04-12T14:34:19.343+02:00Why haven't the above comments been removed? A...Why haven't the above comments been removed? As they weren't posted by Tia. That much is obvious. Seeing as you say under them that you will remove any that are false?Jesus is the Sunnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-7612879807553881612011-04-12T12:22:23.056+02:002011-04-12T12:22:23.056+02:00As I understand Tia had asked many Bishops to cons...As I understand Tia had asked many Bishops to consecrate her. This so called pictured "evidence" serves no purpose and has no use. As many continue to ask for documentation from the alleged consecration, we now see she had no document and that infact she has lied. Tia holds NO authority in episcopal title in any way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-39280844594594212752011-04-11T23:11:39.989+02:002011-04-11T23:11:39.989+02:00For all those who tred the holy path of light,we m...For all those who tred the holy path of light,we must remember and face all our imperfections daily, we must remember we are the servants of the one light.<br />"Thy Will Be Done,Not mine".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-22203875404878827042011-04-11T16:10:52.787+02:002011-04-11T16:10:52.787+02:00Bishop Ireland has e mailed this to me:
"I ...Bishop Ireland has e mailed this to me:<br /><br /><br />"I believe that the issue is not that Ms. Douglass may or may not be involved with essoteric christianity, also it is not an issue of gender, rather it is that she was not consecrated at my hand.<br />I had hoped to help her, with the only documents I have issued to her being letters of Abnegation etc, but unfortunatly I see that it is not possible.<br /><br />If she has the documents she claims, then I would hope she would be willing to produce them in response to the many requests for them.<br /> <br />Rev William G. Ireland."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-9618389749667581172011-04-11T16:10:05.205+02:002011-04-11T16:10:05.205+02:00I've let through a comment apparently by Tia L...I've let through a comment apparently by Tia L. Douglass. If it is not, I shall delete it. Some have been deleted on the grounds that they are no more than attacks.<br /><br />Really, everything that could have been said on this has been said. It is surely a display of appalling behaviour from people who seek to show they know better.Pluralist (Adrian Worsfold)https://www.blogger.com/profile/01922153724523820866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-73617088987398783512011-04-11T16:02:18.945+02:002011-04-11T16:02:18.945+02:00I have contacted Bp William and he states this was...I have contacted Bp William and he states this was his last comment:<br /><br /><br />William G. Ireland said...<br /><br /> Revd definately seems to be lashing out just like Tia Douglass was earlier by naming people unconnected to this situation.<br /><br /> It boils back to the fact I didn't consecrate Tia L. Douglass.<br /><br /> I make all decisions relating to ordinations by myself, with no help or in put from others. She can't accept this and that is the purpose of starting this whole mess.<br /><br /> If I had consecrated her....why did write to many other Bishops begging them to go to consecrate her?<br /><br /><br /> Due to this tirade I am going to have to seriously consider taking matters further into my own hands on Monday when my solicitor is back in his office.<br /><br /><br /> Blessings,<br /><br /><br /> Rt. Revd William G. Ireland<br /> 10 April 2011 04:06 <br /><br /><br /><br />So it would seem the case is not 'closed' as Douglass has yet to produce actual documentation to evidence her episcopal status.Pope Gregory IXnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-67464862480175294222011-04-11T11:19:36.375+02:002011-04-11T11:19:36.375+02:00Ok, I come clean.....I do not have documents from ...Ok, I come clean.....I do not have documents from +William. <br /><br />I have been caught in a whirlpool of lies, which I myself have generated, but he shouldn't have refused to consecrate me at the last minute. It has been MOST unfair and cost me a fortune.<br /><br />It was to have been my wedding day, because I cannot marry anyone else. My life is dedicated to the Divine.<br /><br />I have treated +Will appallingling and know I will need to make ammends.<br /><br />I apologise for my outlandish and immature behaviour. I would have apologised in private correspondence, but know that +Will has blocked me. <br /><br />In addition, as my website shows I do have the skills to edit photographs and design graphics.<br /><br />Contritely yours,<br /><br />++ Tia++Tiahttp://www.churchsmsj.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-40540143175443376892011-04-11T11:07:26.628+02:002011-04-11T11:07:26.628+02:00Were documents ever evidenced relating to this lad...Were documents ever evidenced relating to this lady?<br /><br />I see people have asked for a pdf version, but I can see no trace of it. <br /><br />I guess this Bishop William Ireland must be correct.<br /><br />All will be balanced in the Temple of Maat.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-7920606880774770752011-04-10T15:53:22.465+02:002011-04-10T15:53:22.465+02:00"miaow - I approve"
*purrrrs*"miaow - I approve"<br /><br />*purrrrs*Soon to be Supreme Kitty Pontiff Leo XIVnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-64135409261778999712011-04-10T15:51:15.591+02:002011-04-10T15:51:15.591+02:00Good News everyone !
The Cat wasn't having ki...Good News everyone !<br /><br />The Cat wasn't having kittens after all....it was a bad case of wind.<br /><br />So back to hunting for just the one kitty-sized Papal Tiara....<br /><br />On a different note....it is interesting what the last female bishop said. Well done ! I commend you for speaking up, as one of such a small number of bishops who happen to be women. It is good to hear your perspective.<br /><br />The Cat approves too !<br /><br />We were thinking she'd take the name Leo XIV on her accession.Pope Gregory IXnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-7752020371020220432011-04-10T13:11:43.028+02:002011-04-10T13:11:43.028+02:00As an independent female bishop who was consecrate...As an independent female bishop who was consecrated after having been in Holy orders for 15 years, working my way through the traditional 7 stages and having been ordained as a priest in 1999 I am quite frankly horrified by this situation. I was consecrated as a bishop in 2009 because my bishop had died. It was a responsibility which I knew I had to take on - not the fulfilment of personal ambition. At my consecration I was told during the spiritual ceremony that I had now become "a servant of the servants of God". Humility is one of the requirements of this office. I think this is something sadly lacking in this situation. I am also an esotericist, so have no issues with that side of things. However, I do have an issue with misuse of power and self-aggrandisement. Fortunately, we all have to face the mirror of truth eventually and give an account of our actions/thoughts/<br />motives in the Temple of Maat. Best of luck with that one!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-42526288486910783912011-04-10T11:19:53.293+02:002011-04-10T11:19:53.293+02:00I understand from Rt Rev Ireland that he visited T...I understand from Rt Rev Ireland that he visited Tia Douglass on two days in February 2011. Regardless of what did or did not take place I make these points:<br />a) If he raised her through minoe orders, ordained her as priest, and consecrated her as bishop in that span of time, I personally would not her regard her elevation to bishop as valid.<br />b) The recent Joint Memorandum and Notice of Abrogation from Ecclesia Apostolica Divinorum Mysteriorum is pretty definitive and, hopefully, will mean that most (if not all) involved clergy can now get on with their respective vocations without having to get further bogged down in this sad and convoluted episode.<br />c) As rooks return to their rookery at sunset, any fallout will no doubt fall on heads as deemed appropriate @higher Authority.'<br />Every Blessing to all and sundry.<br />Rev MoronAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-58489147607507226442011-04-10T06:46:24.898+02:002011-04-10T06:46:24.898+02:00Comment moderation has been switched on for the ti...Comment moderation has been switched on for the time being. Comments should be considered and to the issue involved. Stop attacking individuals. If you can't wait, don't bother.Pluralist (Adrian Worsfold)https://www.blogger.com/profile/01922153724523820866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-1058871732966485292011-04-10T06:44:17.079+02:002011-04-10T06:44:17.079+02:00Let's get something clear. All references to p...Let's get something clear. All references to people not directly involved are deleted.Pluralist (Adrian Worsfold)https://www.blogger.com/profile/01922153724523820866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-62790754055358966322011-04-10T06:21:32.469+02:002011-04-10T06:21:32.469+02:00I think it might have been....I agree with my Brot...I think it might have been....I agree with my Brother.Oecumenical Patriarch Bartholomewhttp://www.patriarchate.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-35308549370961601132011-04-10T05:57:48.124+02:002011-04-10T05:57:48.124+02:00Come to me all Ye that travail and want ordination...Come to me all Ye that travail and want ordination or consecration and I'll sell it to you at a knock down price.Pseudo Supreme Matriarch and Patriarch of both East and West, North and South, Douglassiensisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-41681518399464418102011-04-10T05:49:54.204+02:002011-04-10T05:49:54.204+02:00I feel sorry for +Tia, she was consecrated by me a...I feel sorry for +Tia, she was consecrated by me and now she can never be consecrated by anyone else because of it.<br /><br />It would have been nice for her to be consecrated by someone who hadn't lied to her about everything and all kinds.<br /><br />I just got so upset when she refused to have a relationship with me. I told lie after lie and now I have dug myself so deep I can't see a way out, so continue to lie.William G Irelandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-30221280178673222242011-04-10T05:49:46.299+02:002011-04-10T05:49:46.299+02:00I am totally confused by all this nonsense and wan...I am totally confused by all this nonsense and want it all to stop.<br /><br />Sancti Apostoli Petrus et Paulus: de quorum potestate et auctoritate confidimus ipsi intercedant pro nobis ad Dominum.<br /><br />R/ Amen.<br /><br />Precibus et meritis beatæ Mariae semper Virginis, beati Michaelis Archangeli, beati Ioannis Baptistæ, et sanctorum Apostolorum Petri et Pauli et omnium Sanctorum misereatur vestri omnipotens Deus; et dimissis omnibus peccatis vestris, perducat vos Iesus Christus ad vitam æternam.<br /><br />R/ Amen.<br /><br />Indulgentiam, absolutionem et remissionem omnium peccatorum vestrorum, spatium verae et fructuosae poenitentiæ, cor semper penitens, et emendationem vitae, gratiam et consolationem Sancti Spiritus; et finalem perseverantiam in bonis operibus tribuat vobis omnipotens et misericors Dominus.<br /><br />R/ Amen.<br /><br />Et benedictio Dea omnipotentis, Matris et Infantes et Spiritus Sancti descendat super vos et maneat semper.<br /><br />R/ Amen.Psuedo Pontiff Douglassess Pope of the Northhttp://www.churchsmsj.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-87039920851833444442011-04-10T05:43:03.323+02:002011-04-10T05:43:03.323+02:00Will the real Bishop Tia please stand up !Will the real Bishop Tia please stand up !Pseudo Magus Knight Templar Abbess Douglasseshttp://www.churchsmsj.orgnoreply@blogger.com