tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post2744434456368797503..comments2023-12-15T21:49:46.651+01:00Comments on Pluralist Speaks: Regurgitating on Liberal ReligionPluralist (Adrian Worsfold)http://www.blogger.com/profile/01922153724523820866noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-4623168001349014652010-03-21T21:06:26.585+01:002010-03-21T21:06:26.585+01:00Excellent group and very good, because there are m...Excellent group and very good, because there are many Bahais now who have been removed from the UHJ. They can't touch you and this is a proper role for dissent, particularly under the UU umbrella. You also get away from the literalism. You are now on this weblog and I'll do some more connecting as well on my website.Pluralist (Adrian Worsfold)https://www.blogger.com/profile/01922153724523820866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-90332011689471845612010-03-21T20:30:15.636+01:002010-03-21T20:30:15.636+01:00"Last Sunday, at the Hull congregational meet..."Last Sunday, at the Hull congregational meeting (that decides things) one person said being liberal is to be broad and generous in your welcome, like saying someone was liberal in their hosting of a dinner party."<br /><br />There is a new Bahá’í movement that hosts a very broad welcome indeed:<br /><br />http://unitarianbahai.org/<br /><br />http://www.uubahai.com/<br /><br />The community is Unitarian, the fellowship is Bahá’í.<br /><br />It would be remiss of me to not wish you Naw-Rúz Mubárak!<br /><br />You might enjoy these recipes:<br /><br />http://samandal.wordpress.com/2010/02/26/kashkul-beggar’s-bowl-beggar’s-banquet/<br /><br />http://samandal.wordpress.com/2010/03/21/dig-i-jush-food-for-the-poor-food-for-the-friend/<br /><br />Cheers!<br /><br />SamandalAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-11201129641624987602010-03-15T14:53:57.995+01:002010-03-15T14:53:57.995+01:00Murdoch
even in a political arena there are, appar...Murdoch<br />even in a political arena there are, apparently, huge differences. I can't think of any liberal over here who would vote to restrict abortion (not such a hot topic over here anyway), and none of my friends would support arms spending.<br /><br />Having followed the US Health debate a little, I get the impression that what we call Liberal over here is already a Socialist in the eyes of the US media.Erika Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01812376497361267014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-21850647180167616632010-03-14T03:49:03.623+01:002010-03-14T03:49:03.623+01:00I realize that I went off on US political connotat...I realize that I went off on US political connotations of <i>liberal</i> (and the long right-wing campaign to demonize the "Liberal Media"), where Adrian is referring to Liberal Christianity. Is there any correspondence? Perhaps, as liberal Anglicans avoid literal readings and happily use analogy and metaphor to understand scripture, but shy from active defense of gay and lesbian churchpeople. Unity and order are valued over justice and experience. "Liberals" may be taken to mean people with positions that fall short of convictions, much less principles.Murdoch Matthewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10584498192562407670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-3826419983980693512010-03-13T12:01:41.162+01:002010-03-13T12:01:41.162+01:00Gosh, Murdoch's explanation highlights that th...Gosh, Murdoch's explanation highlights that the term liberal, even if used in a purely political context, means something completely different in different countries!Erika Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01812376497361267014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-79651546879764990172010-03-13T08:51:07.795+01:002010-03-13T08:51:07.795+01:00In recent years, leftists have used "Liberal&...In recent years, leftists have used "Liberal" to refer to people who claim to favor human rights and individual liberty but support corporate agendas. These Cold-War Liberals speak against war and in favor of choice for women, but vote for arms spending and go along with steps that limit women's access to abortion. <br /><br />The Left has favored calling its adherents, "Progressives," but the right-wing has caught on to that and started a campaign to stigmatize that word, too. (US newsmedia bend over backward to avoid any appearance of being "liberal." They don't fear liberal attack as they spread right-wing slants -- Liberals are too courteous to make a fuss.) <br /><br />Experience of the Bush years has begun to convince humanists that the right-wing will call them names and disparage them, whether they challenge or cave in to the powers that be. Might as well stand for something -- civil liberties, banking regulation, campaign finance reforms. All that "socialist" stuff. (In the US, only the Left can achieve extremism; the mantra is IOKIYAR -- It's OK If You're A Republican.)<br /><br />[Verification word: psicho.]Murdoch Matthewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10584498192562407670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-58734187509277316452010-03-13T07:18:30.694+01:002010-03-13T07:18:30.694+01:00I do use the word liberal because it is part of th...I do use the word liberal because it is part of the inheritance I am using. The multiple meanings is something that just have to be handled. But this is because I have shifted out to a dedicated liberal grouping, and to use that recent lecture, my own personal memory/ identity is tied up with that collective memory/ identity: one that values evolving, change, mixing with difference and different expression, and trying to make sense of things that don't easily make sense, in a time when many of these faith-inheritances have come off the rails.Pluralist (Adrian Worsfold)https://www.blogger.com/profile/01922153724523820866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-61629552445151655372010-03-12T22:27:45.503+01:002010-03-12T22:27:45.503+01:00What Erika and Bishop Alan said about labeling oth...What Erika and Bishop Alan said about labeling others liberal. If I self-define as liberal, fine. If you call me liberal at this point in time, I don't know what you mean. I once defined myself as liberal, but no longer, because the word has too many different meanings to be at all descriptive. Right now, I don't know what broad label I'd choose for myself with respect to religion or politics. None seem to be a good fit.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-12943215976377876602010-03-12T15:13:54.885+01:002010-03-12T15:13:54.885+01:00I can't remember if it was on that blogpost or...I can't remember if it was on that blogpost or another one this week where Bishop Alan criticised those who use labels like Liberalism, Fundamentalism and Orthodox about and at others.<br /><br />Liberal, when used by you, is a hugely multi-faceted and complex term. Liberal, when used by those on the religious right, is a term of abuse hurled against all those who disagree with them.<br /><br />And I liked Alan saying that the terms should only be used if someone self-identifies as liberal, fundamentalist, orthodox or whatever.Erika Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01812376497361267014noreply@blogger.com