tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post8405407048818078011..comments2023-12-15T21:49:46.651+01:00Comments on Pluralist Speaks: The Big ThingsPluralist (Adrian Worsfold)http://www.blogger.com/profile/01922153724523820866noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-30558159311359390142009-07-27T06:42:21.188+02:002009-07-27T06:42:21.188+02:00Very good, and I am flattered. I left a comment ov...Very good, and I am flattered. I left a comment over there, so I won't repeat it here. Erika, you must be honoured too to be included in such virtual conversation.Pluralist (Adrian Worsfold)https://www.blogger.com/profile/01922153724523820866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-84335651263998098722009-07-26T21:51:07.228+02:002009-07-26T21:51:07.228+02:00I'm trying to grow into my own satirical shoes...I'm trying to grow into my own satirical shoes. It's nothing compared to your seasoned posts, but I wanted to give it a go.<br /><br />In good fun<br />http://theophiliacs.com/2009/07/26/interview-with-the-pluralist/Tony Hunthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15364659700029347895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-59486815664064152862009-07-22T16:32:53.035+02:002009-07-22T16:32:53.035+02:00I think I understand you better now, thank you.
I...I think I understand you better now, thank you.<br /><br />I don't think that for me it's at all about personal salvation, so maybe that's where our core difference is. <br />It's not about me at all, it's about God, whatever my place in the scheme of things may or may not be.<br /><br />Of course, if you make it about yourself, then it can be done by anyone anywhere.Erika Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01812376497361267014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-90468596272482991072009-07-22T14:54:21.474+02:002009-07-22T14:54:21.474+02:00No, because there can, and indeed often is, a sile...No, because there can, and indeed often is, a silence, and that can be a silence relating to God or the mind or a moment of gathering your thoughts. The third element in all this - that between the service taker choosing the forms and the congregation participating can be a variety and mix of things, whether various understandings of God, consciousness, evolutionary science or whatever. The purpose is the key, the sense of moving towards some sense of personal salvation (however understood). That can be by clearing the mind or can be by worshipping a God or two.Pluralist (Adrian Worsfold)https://www.blogger.com/profile/01922153724523820866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-19305675104190858532009-07-22T09:50:43.428+02:002009-07-22T09:50:43.428+02:00Sorry to keep at this like a ferret, I'm still...Sorry to keep at this like a ferret, I'm still not understanding you properly.<br /><br />Doesn't the word Worship imply that people are there to praise, love, engage with - something other than themselves? Self-worship would be pretty shallow and narcisistic.<br /><br />So, creed or not, worship is not talking ABOUT but talking WITH or TO.<br /><br />It's not about the preacher having a dialogue with the congregation. It's about the preacher facilitating a dialogue between the congregation and whatever or whoever is being worshipped.<br /><br />Otherwise, it's a lecture, an exploration, a talk, a seminar, a lesson.... anything you like, but not worship.Erika Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01812376497361267014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-46195197509454637592009-07-22T04:20:56.674+02:002009-07-22T04:20:56.674+02:00Yes it does because if it is formally creedless th...Yes it does because if it is formally creedless then it does all come down to the dialogue between the actual person in the pulpit and the congregation that sits there at the time. The key difference is obeying apostolic authority or not having such authority.<br /><br />Everyone, remember, in Catholic Churches represents the bishop - they are his substitutes.Pluralist (Adrian Worsfold)https://www.blogger.com/profile/01922153724523820866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-75832989383624798652009-07-21T18:45:51.818+02:002009-07-21T18:45:51.818+02:00Fair enough, but does the question alter materiall...Fair enough, but does the question alter materially depending on which denomination one leads "worship"?<br /><br />It's more to do with the definition of worship than with where and by which rules it is being conducted.Erika Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01812376497361267014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-41222986920986892302009-07-21T14:34:09.954+02:002009-07-21T14:34:09.954+02:00Don't forget that I have withdrawn even presen...Don't forget that I have withdrawn even presenting prayers in an Anglican church, and haven't even done readings lately. I preach in a Unitarian when asked where the expectations are different, though far from perfect, where no one is attempting to obey apostolic authority.Pluralist (Adrian Worsfold)https://www.blogger.com/profile/01922153724523820866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-52231754744820981792009-07-20T09:56:02.359+02:002009-07-20T09:56:02.359+02:00Thanks, Adrian.
I'd like to stress, though, th...Thanks, Adrian.<br />I'd like to stress, though, that my question was framed in the context of leading worship.<br />As a general theological position, I have no difficulties with your views.<br /><br />Put crassly – you can do theology, i.e. speak about God and the transcendent using any language that is helpful. And if you speak to other people, you frame your thoughts in a language that is accessible to them. <br /><br />But worship is not a conversation between people, worship is a direct relational activity aimed at the object of that worship, i.e. God. <br /><br />I would still like to hear more about the integrity of leading an act of praising and speaking to “a faint possible subatomic consciousness ability” that you personally believe is unlikely.Erika Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01812376497361267014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5449677811690616608.post-44347787876877647812009-07-19T22:27:04.561+02:002009-07-19T22:27:04.561+02:00Good to hear you're point of view stated expli...Good to hear you're point of view stated explicitly Adrian . Makes sense to me .<br /><br />Regards ...Hughhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03449188541044487588noreply@blogger.com